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PostSubject: Wrong Train to Brimstone   Wrong Train to Brimstone Icon_minitimeMon Sep 15, 2014 9:58 pm

Watch Wrong Train to Brimstone and answer these questions for Sunday's Chat on September 21...

?? Does the episode set any - PREQUEL, MISSING SCENE, FOLLOW UP - bunnies a bouncing

?? Any of the characters ripe for a VS come back

?? Anything in the episode that is so visual it'd be a real stretch VS wise ...

?? Any favo(u)rite lines crying out to be used again and again in fanfic?

?? What on the episode has become canon

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PostSubject: Re: Wrong Train to Brimstone   Wrong Train to Brimstone Icon_minitimeSun Sep 21, 2014 2:33 pm

?? Does the episode set any - PREQUEL, MISSING SCENE, FOLLOW UP - bunnies a bouncing
- Deputy Wade Sawyer and how he knows Heyes and the Kid
- Carl Grant & Fred Gaines meet HH & KC again
- Henry Maxwell Jenkins' story (didn't Calico do one?)
-  HH and KC seeing the Devil's Hole gang and explaining what happened
- what happened to Sarah Blaine or Agent Jeremiah Daley? are they in jail? would they want revenge? what of their "gang"? did they all die or get captured?

?? Any of the characters ripe for a VS come back
- of course Harry Brisco
- Grant & Gaines
- Sarah Blaine or Agent Jeremiah Daley

?? Anything in the episode that is so visual it'd be a real stretch VS wise ...
- train whistle blowing often

?? Any favo(u)rite lines crying out to be used again and again in fanfic?
- "That's the truth of it"
- "Heyes, if you can do that, you just may be the genius you  think you are"
- "And that's the truth"

?? What on the episode has become canon
- Heyes pacing as he thinks
- more in sinc movement
- Heyes uses his hand to cover his mouth and expressions
- Heyes says "we was..." a few times
- Heyes bargaining for money for jobs
- Kid's concern for others, sometimes over concern for himself

General Comments
- the bathroom had stalls!  indoor plumbing, too?
- Brisco seems more competent in this episode which I like
- cool how the train seat move is can face each other or move to face front
- love how they admit they're Heyes and Curry, but not believed
- larcenous looks of both of them as Heyes opens the box with gold
- Heyes jumps Brisco when he comes into the boxcar, not the Kid
- wrong Wheat (too clean cut looking) and no one familiar in Devil's Hole (not even Kyle Murtry)
- lots of 5 o'clock shadows - long days filming or make-up?

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PostSubject: Re: Wrong Train to Brimstone   Wrong Train to Brimstone Icon_minitimeSun Sep 21, 2014 3:05 pm

Oh great comments Penski.

I agree that the Devil's Hole gang were all wrong especially as this was an early episode in the series and we had only just met the Gang in the Pilot. I wanted to see Wheat and Kyle..the proper ones!

They could definitely meet Grant and Gaines again.


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PostSubject: Re: Wrong Train to Brimstone   Wrong Train to Brimstone Icon_minitimeSun Sep 21, 2014 3:34 pm

This is the first time I've ventured into the chat, so I hope it is okay to just barge in and comment...

I enjoyed reading all your good commentary, Penski!

I do recall reading a poignant story about Jenkins. (If I am remembering the right story, it is somewhat ambiguous for a bit, making the reader think it might be Kid...)

You mentioned Heyes jumping Briscoe instead of Kid. Whenever I watch this one, I mentally scold the Kid for not being more alert, but at the same time, I always get a kick out of Heyes's facial expression when he realizes it is Harry grappling with him over the rifles. It is just priceless!

Yes, to Maz! Missing Kyle and Wheat (the real Wheat) as well...

Idea for ff: Sarah Blaine's fake story would make a good fanfiction story, although maybe a bit Mary Sue-ish. (Sarah Blaine, casting herself in a Mary Sue story 100 years before Mary Sues existed...!) Of course, it would have be a nice, sweet girl, not a duplicitous criminal mastermind with a bouffant early 70's hairstyle. Maybe someone has already written such a story...?

I love the boys' faces when the "ladies" on the train start to remove their hats and wigs. I wonder if anyone has ever written a ff where Heyes and/or Curry is forced to dress in drag... Wait! Maz had them in nun's habits not too long ago...That was fun.

And I don't know why, but I just love the conductor. The one that says, "Don't be cute boys" when they give him the hard-won train tickets.

p.s. to Penski: Train seats still do that!


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PostSubject: Re: Wrong Train to Brimstone   Wrong Train to Brimstone Icon_minitimeMon Sep 22, 2014 6:33 am

Might I add one more character that's been neglected in fanfic -- Harry Bright! Sure, he never physically appeared in this episode, but he played a crucial role. We know he and Harry Briscoe have been acquainted for 20 years, and it hasn't been a friendly relationship. Does he really have "a stomach ailment", or was Harry just trying to test Heyes? And notice the clever way Heyes refused to answer that question.

How about a prequel? If Jeremiah Daly was one of Bannerman's best agents, how did Sarah Blaine make him a criminal? Did she draw him into a web of deceit and dishonesty? Or was he a rotten apple already, ripe for the plucking? She does seem to be the mastermind of this plot to rob the train.

Daly and Blaine were caught red-handed, of course. What if they went to trial and Sarah portrayed herself as the victim of an older man? Juries were more sympathetic to women, especially if they were pretty and young. What if Sarah was out of jail quickly? Would she return to crime? Would she encounter H & C again? She'd only know them as Bannerman men, not by their real names. That could be interesting.

Wonder what the mood was like at Devil's Hole, after they returned from an unsuccessful robbery in which two members of the gang were killed? Were any other gang members wounded? Did Wheat get blamed for this, and compared to Heyes' successful tenure? Wheat wanted to be leader for so long -- was this failure the impetus for the return of Big Jim? Something had to happen for Wheat to lose his position as leader and be exiled from Devil's Hole.

I'm loving these episode discussions.

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