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PostSubject: Post-Amnesty Occupations   Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:40 am

Assuming they receive the much coveted amnesty from the governor, what occupations can you see Heyes and the Kid doing?

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From Ghislaine:

Well, I've already postulated careers in the newspaper business. One of my Challenge stories sets Heyes and Curry up as muckraking journalists, though, unfortunately, that word didn't come into use until the 20th century. I'll be writing more in that post-amnesty series, at some point in the very indefinite future.

I have a very hard time seeing the boys settle down into mundane jobs such as farmer, merchant, businessman and such like. I'm not even sure Heyes would enjoy being a professional poker player. Heyes would need something that keeps him mentally challenged and not bored; something that has variety and keeps him on his toes on a daily basis, and I think he'd be much happier if Kid were by his side. As for Kid, I think he be good at something practical--leaving the idea side to Heyes, as he usually has, but which also gives him the opportunity to be a sounding board for Heyes. Kid I could see settling into a sedentary occupation but not Heyes. I think Kid would be happy doing anything that kept him with Heyes.

Good question!

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From nm131:

They would both need careers that are challenging. I can't see them as ranchers (they have said over and over again in the series how much they hated ranch world - If for some reason one of them married into a ranch it would have to be horses not cattle), farmers, mundane business man (although I did write the one story with Heyes as a business man) banker or merchant.

I think Heyes would do well with something mentally challenging with have the opportunity to travel. I have a real hard time imaging Heyes settling down. I can see him as an author (dime novels or the like. He really has a talent for storytelling and likes to stretch the truth) Newspapermen also works for me.

Kid, I can see settling down with a family but not a boring job. IMO he likes adventure and if it's a little dangerous it's not a problem. I can see him as a sheriff or Marshall. I do think, but I am not a western history expert by any means, that there were some outlaws that become lawmen or was it the other way around? K. Sumners had some valid concerns in her last story for Kid to think about if he chose that occupation.

Both I think would not do well as employees forever but need to be their own bosses. They are also used to spurts of activity followed by periods of rest not the constant day in and day out jobs for any lenght of time.

I don't think saloon or casino managing or ownership would hold their interest for long.

Even though I know it's been done alot I do think that detectives would suit them and play to both their strengths. I think that occupation would allow then to work with the same dynamic that they successfully employed as outlaws. They would be good at it, I liked Drena Hills vision of a successful detective agency. I think I have said this before somewhere. I would love to see them as successful detectives and hire Harry Briscoe.

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From HutchyNStarsk

I would like to see them become deputies or sheriffs. Very Happy I think they would be good at it, very conscientious. But it might be a weird adjustment at first. I don't think I've ever read a fic like that.

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From Max

There is one Hutchie...

Alias Sheriff Smith and Sheriff Jones
By Red O'Toole

Okay, they are not sheriffs permanently - but they do do it.

http://aliassmithandjonesfanfic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=19&Itemid=64

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From Giddy Up

Just a thought...

Wasn't they deputies at some point in the series? Or was it a story/Virtual Season only? Hmm...

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I still think the Kid would make a great first sergeant.

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From Giddy Up

Reply to Fortitudine -
I still think the Kid would make a great first sergeant.

What's the difference between a first sergant and a ordinary sergant? Or a second sergant (if there're any...)?

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From Fortitudine

Giddyup; The Kid would be a great First Sergeant because that's what he does for Heyes. Heyes makes the plan, the Kid makes it happen.

The First Sergeant is the senior staff noncommissioned officer (senior enlisted man or woman) in a company or detachment. The First Sergeant makes sure everything that the Commander wants done, gets done. The First Sergeant is "large and in charge." The First Sergeant causes the weak to weep and the strong to tremble.

The First Sergeant outranks God.

Just to make it even more confusing, the different branches of the US military have different rank titles. In the Marines, from bottom to top, it's ~

Private
Private First Class
Lance Corporal
Corporal
Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
Gunnery Sergeant
First Sergeant/Master Sergeant
Sergeant Major/Master Gunnery Sergeant

In re: post-amnesty occupations, I always thought that Exit To Wickenburg was one of the best as well as the saddest eps in the series. Heyes just looked so gosh-durned happy when he was saloon-tendin'. Too bad Mary Cunningham sold the saloon, or he could go back and take over.

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From Giddy Up

Fortitudine for the explenation. Didn't understood some of the words though... will have to look them up. It's difficult to relate as in Sweden there's different rank titles (in comparisation with the US system).

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From Fortitudine

Maybe this will help:

0-1 (lowest officer rank) second lieutenant

0-2 first lieutenant

0-3 captain

0-4 major

0-5 lieutenant colonel

0-6 colonel

0-7 brigadier general

0-8 major general

0-9 lieutenant general

0-10 general (four star, highest rank. There is only one in the Marine Corps, and that's the Commandant).


E-1 (lowest enlisted rank) private

E-2 private first class or pfc

E-3 lance corporal

E-4 corporal (lowest non-commissioned officer rank)

E-5 sergeant

E-6 staff sergeant

E-7 gunnery sergeant

E-8 master sergeant (for technical fields), first sergeant (for combat fields, such as infantry, artillery, armor)

E-9 master gunnery sergeant (for technical fields), sergeant major (for combat fields)


Way more information than you need, and yes, it is highly specialized. I still can't look at an Air Force senior NCO and tell what he is by his/her sleeve stripes. And don't get me started on the Navy, they're a different can of worms.

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From Remuda

Giddy Up asked:
Wasn't they deputies at some point in the series?

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Giddy Up, they were deputized to escort the bad guys in "Jailbreak at Junction City."

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From Giddy Up

Fortitudine. Could come in handy as I got an idea for a post-amnesty story that has with the military to do.

Remuda. Too bad they ended up in jail though... What was it Heyes said when he once glanced at Kid's star (or vice versa)? Something about that it made him nervous... will have to look that up.

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From HutchyNStarsk

Reply to Max1 -
There is one Hutchie...

Alias Sheriff Smith and Sheriff Jones
By Red O'Toole

Okay, they are not sheriffs permanently - but they do do it.

http://aliassmithandjonesfanfic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=19&Itemid=64

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Ooooh!!! Very Happy Thank you, Max!!!!! :-D That sounds really interesting. ^^ I'll have to check it out. :)

Loved hearing (well, *reading*, lol...) the other ideas mention in the thread, too. :)

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From Kwiltn

Fortitudine --

While I agree that the Kid made a great first sergeant for the Devil's Hole gang, I had to laugh at the thought of those two in the military. I fear they would both be court-martialed before they ever made it out of basic training!

No, that job they had running the saloon was the one they seemed most suited for....not hard on the back, and they definitely had the expertise.

The other likely alternative would be to work for the railroad, banks, and federal agents preventing the type of crime they used to commit. I have to admit, I like the this notion because it shows that they really are "the good guys" after all, though I think it would be the harder for them because they would inevitably have to betray someof their old friends.

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PostSubject: Re: Post-Amnesty Occupations   Thu May 23, 2013 10:07 am

bump Bumping this thread since we have some many new folks. Besides, some of us "old" folks may have changed our minds.

Assuming they receive the much coveted amnesty from the governor, what occupations can you see Heyes and the Kid doing? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Post-Amnesty Occupations   Fri May 24, 2013 7:19 pm

This is such an interesting question from a fanfic perspective. If Heyes' and Curry's whole aim in life is to earn amnesty, then what? They're still young men with a lot of years ahead of them, but they're also men with a past. Given that past, who would hire them? As an old human resources manager, I believe honest employers would be reluctant to hire men with such dubious pasts.

Sometimes I wonder if they got the amnesty, they'd feel adrift. It might take them some time to find the right kind of work, and they might try several different things. I like to think they'd stay together, but actually getting the amnesty might put unique strains on their friendship. Who's to say they wouldn't split up, at least for a while?

Our boys would probably need to be self-employed. I look at the way they ran the Devil's Hole Gang (at least, how I imagine they might have!), and I see Heyes as the CEO and Kid as the COO. Heyes is the idea man, creative, daring, the visionary leader with big plans, probably an ENFJ. Kid is the ideal partner for him, because Kid is the organizer, the hands-on guy who figures out how to convert wild ideas into concrete plans and achievements. In the modern era, it would be Heyes who said, let's start a space program and go to the moon before 1970! And it would be Kid who said, well, we're going to need a Saturn V rocket, so let's hire some engineers and start figuring this out.

I agree with the other people who said that a mundane life might be tough for them. The boys may think they crave peace and quiet, but I suspect that after six months, they'd be itching for excitement again.

So, what kind of careers? The detective agency idea has been popular in fanfic, and with good reason. Who knows a crook better than another crook? Our Boys use their outlaw skills to catch the bad men who really are bad men.

How about secret agents, like Jim West and Artemus Gordon in Wild Wild West? But without the science fiction aspects.

The military? Uh-uh. Probably not. Too many layers of command above them. Our Boys are used to doing their own thing.

The tourism business? Heyes and Curry are tour guides, and they, and the lure of their celebrity status, bring in the wealthy easterners who want to safely explore the west and meet famous crooks. They could be in Wyoming and Colorado all summer, and Arizona and California during the winter.

Join Buffalo Bill's show? Or something similar? They'd get to visit Europe, and have all sorts of opportunities to get into trouble there.

I've got a slowly-developing story in which Heyes is a lawyer, and Curry owns a hotel and restaurant. As a lawyer, Heyes is smart, likes to win arguments, and has a silver tongue. Curry likes running a business, but without the craziness of running a saloon. He's an organizer, and he's methodical.

How about Heyes as a lobbyist or politician? Can't you just see his campaign slogan: vote for me, you already know I'm a crook? And Kid as his campaign manager, and chief of staff.

Any good fanfic writer can find a plausible post-amnesty life for our boys. I look forward to reading more and seeing what other things our boys could be doing.

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PostSubject: Re: Post-Amnesty Occupations   Mon May 27, 2013 7:01 pm

Hi All-
Anyone who's been reading my stories knows at least the beginnings of my ideas for the boys post-amnesty. My cycle was actually spurred by a story I read so long ago that I can't remember who wrote it, but it said that Heyes went on to become a very important man. My question was what kind of important and how did he get that way. The interesting point to me is the changes that the boys have to go through in order to have stable, honest, practical post-amnesty lives. If they just went on as they were they'd be little more than bums or would inevitably wind up behind bars, or six feet under it seems to me. In the series the transformations only start and aren't taken that seriously. So a lot of writers, including myself, have gone back after that one. It's always fun and challenging.
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